David HUDSON – Dallas Questions Answers 1995

### David Hudson’s Lecture in Dallas – Questions and Answers – February 10 and 11, 1995 (Transcript) Extracts from: http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/presentations/yelmnote.htm

Superconductivity and Modern Alchemy
Has the Philosopher’s Stone Been Found?

Questions and Answers from David Hudson’s Dallas Lecture

(Question – I’d like to know if you are consuming the substance yourself, right now.)

Because I was the discoverer I felt that I should take the material first. I started fasting and we didn’t know how much to take. I was taking the gold in very low amounts. My wife, on about the third day, became aware I was taking it and she just went ballistic. Ah, you have to meet my wife, she’s a very special lady, but she had been reading all the alchemical texts from St. Germain and all about people’s hair falling out, their teeth falling out, their skin pealing off, and she just said, “You will not take this material without my permission”. And out of respect to my wife I stopped taking the material, she literally made me eat to break the fast. And, ah, since that time we have now five people, one in Texas, who are taking it in the high amounts. They are people who basically had no wife or children, and no prior commitment, and therefore were not afraid of it. So, but, no I have not taken it but just very, very low amounts.

(Well can’t you take her with you?)

Ah, yep, she’s not ready yet. She’s getting pretty close, she’s watched this progress. And she’s much more comfortable with it. She’s, you have to understand I live in a very small agricultural community and I cannot speak anything about this to anybody in my community. I mean it just goes over their heads completely. And so, I was really pleased when I went to Global Sciences in the Spring of last year and spoke for the first time. I told Dean Stonier, don’t advertise this, don’t tell anyone what I am going to talk about. And I really was pleased to see how many people had read the books I was referring to, knew about it, were prepared for it, and they just were in awe over it. And so, you know, that was so well received, I spoke in the Fall once again to Global Sciences on this side of the country. I’ve been over to Hawaii and am now speaking here. I, I only have so much material being produced. Most of it’s going for medical studies and philosophical studies and there isn’t that much available. You know, we’re not charging for it for most people, it’s being given for free. And so, ah, you know, there isn’t enough that I can play with it, just do what I want with it, so…..

(I’m also interested in the lighter side of sex. When you were talking about how when he became a light being that he was actually having sex with light beings and I was interested in how that might relate to immaculate conception.)

Ah, I’d like to save the subject of the immaculate conception for tomorrow’s workshop. I will specifically address that, ah, because, you know, who the Essenes were, who Mary was, who the disciples were, and what it all means, I think is quite significant. Um, the literature says that when a person becomes the whole light being, that they become the androgynous being, because you’re immortal you don’t have to have children. And so sex as most men know it no longer is important. It comes down to true and total love with all mankind. And so that, that is more than enough for most people’s inclinations, I believe, at that point. Now, I’ll tell you in a month or so how it is, but right now that’s what it appears like. Any other questions?

(Question – How long then has been the longest person, you’re saying, that’s been on it?)

Well, the first person to take it is 8 1/2 months right now.

(Do they continue to take it everyday?)

No, they took it for the 40 days, actually it’s 30 days of taking it. At the end of that they stooped. And it’s just, it’s called the Semen of the God in Heaven. Once you sleep with the guy and the semen’s in you, and you’re pregnant, that’s it, you’re on your way fella and there’s no turning back. You’re going to have this baby in 9 months, so just brace yourself, here it comes. So this is why I don’t want someone to get on this path and then say , “I change my mind”. Because you can’t undo this, once it’s done it’s done.

(Can’t you have a divorce?)

I don’t know how.

(Question – You mentioned that some of these other products had this iridium and others in it. Is there some relationship between this product that you have and these other products.)

Oh, certainly, I alluded to in the presentation. That these elements are not rare. Diamonds are rare, carbon is everywhere, but diamond and carbon are the same element. You know our analytical method looks for metals, not for elements. And so, the metals are rare because the conditions to make them metallic were very unusual, but the elements are everywhere. And, I say everywhere, they should be located in, ah …. well, if you talk to a nuclear physicist he can tell you exactly in the big bang, in the creation, how much of which elements should be here on Earth, and for some reason they don’t know where the rhodium and iridium are. They just don’t find it here on Earth. And so they assume it’s out there in space someplace, in some meteorite, and they find this unusual amount of iridium at about 65 million years ago. Well the geology that this material is in is exactly 65 million years old. And so, coincidentally, it agrees with the volcanic activity about 65 million years ago. The elements are quite plentiful particularly in volcanic areas or volcanic soil. Now I will mention, when we analyze the carrot juice, there’s a high amount of rhodium in carrot juice. I’ve heard of people drinking macro amounts of carrot juice and curing cancer. Well rhodium is the cancer cure. The Ace Mannan is 90 percent rhodium, the product that’s made here in Texas, the Ace Mannan. I believe Mr. McDaniels who was driving me around today, I plug his product because it’s probably the best source of rhodium you can buy. And if you have cancer you need rhodium in your body. It’s the cancer cure. And that is one of the best natural sources that we know of right now, is the Ace Mannan. Other than our material which is pure rhodium, but I, you know, I can’t administer for cancer.

(Question – What plans could you talk about, say, that your plans are for the next year?)

Ah, basically, I’ve expended 5.3 million dollars, out of pocket has been expended thus far on the project. I’ve done everything I financially can do at this time. On December 31st, I shut down my farming operation. So, I am operating under faith that there is someone out there who will understand this. I’m looking for the money to build a production plant. To do exactly what I’m doing in the laboratories but do it on a scale up. We’re going to process one ton a day of the ore, which will give us about one million five hundred thousand dollars worth of precious elements per day at metals prices. It takes about a half an ounce or about, um, what we’re figuring about $500 worth of precious elements to cure AIDS. Okay? Our cost will be about $10,000 a day or about $3.50 for enough to cure AIDS. Will be our cost.

(Question – What’s the cost of the plant?)

I’ve got all the budget and everything worked up. If someone’s interested I can show it to them, it’s a business plan and everything. I’ve turned down the money from two different sources already that have offered it, but they were Boards of Directors, and they were totally profit oriented, and that’s not what this is going to be done, I mean, ah, um, this is going to make immense of amounts of money…. (audience claps) Well, you can’t…. If Mother Theresa presents herself and she’s given everything she owns to the poor and she says, “I need it”, you gotta give it to her. She has no money, you still have to give it to her. So, if someone says, “Nope, we’re going to make this the highest and greatest amount of money we can out of it”, no. If you want to think about it as a business plan, you can put the stuff into fuel cell electrodes, you can deliver it to the Japanese, tell them that you their partners now. You’re going to furnish electrodes for their fuel cells. You don’t sell precious metals, you sell electricity. Okay, and you still own the precious metals. Everyday you’re making a million and a half dollars worth of precious elements and they’re going into fuel cells. In a year’s time you’ve made 500 million dollars worth of precious elements and you now are making the income, everyday, off of those precious elements. Which should be around 20-25 percent income off of the sale of the electricity. And you still own the precious elements. After 10 years you own more precious elements than anybody else in the world. You become the international bankers that are totally, 100 percent precious metal backed, and you have the income. It’s not sitting at some bank, it’s sitting out there in the world working for a living. That’s the worst case scenario.

Now the best case scenario is what it does. You know, we have given this to HIV patients who could not even speak. They were days away from death. They were being fed by IVs. And four or five weeks later they were feeding themselves, getting dressed on their own and attending family weddings, and flying on airplanes across the United States. There’s no better feeling. There’s no better feeling than to help these people that have no hope.

And I can give you the names of the people you can call in the Phoenix area who are on this stuff right now, and they’ll tell you, “We’re alive today because of this material”. You can call them up and talk to them personally. I just can’t put it on tape, that’s all. Any other questions?

(Question – I’m sure you probably have all the volunteers you can use?)

How about 8,732?

(Question – Okay. Want another one? When is this substance going to be available for folks like us?)

It’s going to take about a year and a half from the time that I get the funding, and I thought I would have the funding before now. I have probably 8 different people who have the money, who said they want to do it, but no one’s written the check yet, and until that time, you know, it’s……. I just, I make about 2,000 milligrams every two days in the laboratory right now, and, ah, but more importantly, I think it’s the…., you know, what I’m doing right now is I’m out telling people about it. I’m going to speak in Florida, I’m going to be up in New England, I’m going to be in the Midwest, and basically, I’ve been up in Seattle, and it’s going to be just seeding information. And then that’s about enough. I’ll depend on you to tell your friends about it.

When it’s available, you know, you’ll know about it, I guarantee it, you’ll hear about it. It’s going to be heavy.

(Question – You’re looking for just one investor, or…….?)

I’m looking to deal with private individuals not corporations.

(Question – So, it could be like more than one individual?)

Sure. Certainly. It’s just, I have to meet them and be comfortable, they know what they’re getting involved in, before I can accept their money though. Anybody else?

(Question – Yeah, I wanted to ask you a question. You said the gentleman that was taking this that was basically healthy, and had taking it, what, 30 or 40 days. And then heard the sounds and things like that, okay? Apparently could know people that were coming before they arrived. The people that were ill and took it and then became well, did they have the same experiences as the healthy man who took it?)

Okay, do understand that …. the question was, “Do the people who take it for the medicinal purposes have the same things happen to them as the people who took it for philosophical reasons?” First of all, the fellow who took it for philosophical reasons fasted for 40 days and took 500 mg. per day, the people who took it for medicine took 50 mg. a day. So, you know, there’s a big…..

(Question – They didn’t have any of the side benefits?)

They didn’t…..no one has commented on the sound, however it is coincidental to me that the lady who had the stage 4 cancer now is a Sikh, wears the white robes and everything. The two AIDS patients say that they have never been religious, but they just feel more one with their Creator. They just feel like there’s a oneness. And I’ve never solicited this information. They don’t know anything about the other people. It’s curious that, of what they are telling me. So it is changing the way they see themselves in the life process.

(Question – Thank-you.)


(Question – Are you going to write a book?)

Ah, yes. I’m supposed to meet with a lady on Sunday afternoon here in Dallas. She’s one of the top people that handle these things, and, ah, I had a contract with a fellow but he never signed the contract with his people. And so I wrote him a letter saying, ya know, if you don’t get all the signatures, I’m canceling out. And it took me awhile for all the legal processes to occur, and now, it’s supposed to be, Kathy Lee Crosby is, is, her book was done by a lady here in Dallas, and she’s wanting me to meet this lady. The lady’s seen the tapes and very interested in the story. It’s basically my quest for the Holy Grail and my achievement of it.

In the last chapter, is this man taking it in the high amounts and what happens to him. It’s the Celestine prophecy except it’s not fiction.

(Question – Mm-mm, I have read that and am studying it presently. Thank-you.)


(Question – Yes, my question to you David is, ah, I think it’s nothing short of a miracle that, ah, the medical profession wants to, ah, work with you, and secondly, ah, I’m amazed that the pharmaceutical cartels don’t have a, have you on their hit lists, and how you are going to deal with that?)

That’s a good question, my….. I don’t understand why so many people have so many problems because I’ve never been confronted or never had any problems with anyone to date, other than the military. The military wanted to know about the superconductivity and all.

But, when you understand what this is, why it’s here. As long as I am not charging money for it, as long as it’s being administered for philosophical reasons. When you understand this is the Manna, this is something other people haven’t figured out yet, but this is the Manna. And after tomorrow’s workshop you’ll agree it’s the Manna. There won’t be any question in your mind, you will know that’s what it is.

[1:47:10] And what judge and jury, what administrator in the government would dare take the Manna from a church? Now I know they try, I know they will try, but we do have this basic concept of separation of church and state, and this isn’t peyote, this is the Manna. And this is a Christian nation as a whole, you know, it’s generally a Christian nation. To take the Manna from someone for philosophical reasons, to take it away from you, I just, I just don’t think they got “you know what” enough to do that.

(Question – Well, continued safe journey.)

We’ll try.

(Question – I want to thank you for being here tonight. In your presence is my alchemical mentor, my instructor, I’m an apprentice alchemist. And Hans is sitting back there with some of my fellow students. Um, but the subject that’s on my mind, the sound in the head or above the head that they’re experiencing. When I was rather young, in my twenties, on several occasions I heard what’s called the “music of the spheres”, which the founder of the Sufi order, Haza Renya Kahn, relates somehow to the “Nada”. And I don’t know exactly how that sound relates to the “music of the spheres”, which I have heard…)

It is the same sound.

(Question – That sound is with me continuously and I once asked a swami what it was and he defined it as the “Nada”, and I suspected that it related to the Kundalini, but I don’t know that much about the Kundalini.)

How many of you are aware of “The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch”. Look on page 497, on page 497, in the “Keys of Enoch”, written in 1975 before nuclear physicists knew any of this, he said that scientists will learn how the nucleus can change it’s symmetry, which is what this does. How the electron orbitals reconfigure themselves and the electron-positron pairs will form, which are light. The Nobel prize hasn’t been given for the BCS theory of superconductivity. Here is a man who is a professor of ancient languages, writing 10 years before it was discovered by science, that this discovery would be made. He also talks on page 486 about the high frequency sound, that will be the frequency over which the paranormal gifts will be granted to mankind. And of course, all through the book he talks about the ore ion energy, the gold atom energy, the highest light energy. Go back and read the “Keys of Enoch” now and see if it doesn’t mean a whole lot more to you. Okay.

“The Book of Knowledge: Keys of Enoch”, by J.J. Hertach. It’s a large, white, hard-bound book, says “Yahweh” on the front of it, Y-H-W-H. I don’t know who asked that. I can’t see, I got bright lights over here. Yes ma’am?

(Question – You mentioned that there are people that are in jail now that had been talking about the platinum group elements, and, were any of those people sincere and is there any action that you might be able to take to help them?)

Yeah, I don’t consider them frauds the way most people do. I think that most of the people were sincere in that they believed the elements really were there. I believe they were sincere in representing they were there in raising money. What they, the mistake that most of them made is they represented they would recover them and have a business in a couple of years. And they weren’t in a position they really could make those representations. It took me 18 years and 5.3 million dollars and I don’t have all the answers yet.

I mean, we’re on the learning curve right now. We’re learning everyday about this. So, for the average person, if you want to get involved in this subject, I tell you, brace yourself, you’ve got a long, hard, tedious journey. My wife gets upset because I go and talk to people, she says, “You’re laying all this out for people”, but it’s like me writing a book on playing concert piano. You could read a book on playing concert piano, but that doesn’t mean you sit down and play the concert piano. It would take years and years and years of practice. And as simple as this might sound on paper, it still, there’s still an awful lot of art involved. And so, I feel comfortable talking to people about it, even though I’m telling you everything about it, there’s still a lot of work involved in it.

(Question – Can I ask one other question?)


(Question – Did you mention what kind of budget you’re looking at to set up the operation. The operation you want to set up?)

I haven’t given the amount because most people aren’t interested in it, but if you know somebody who’s specifically interested and they have the capability of funding or funding some aspect, I’ll be happy to lay all of the specifics out for you. Okay? Yes sir?

(Question – There’s something that happened here recently, David, that I wanted to bring to your attention. Ah, after we listened to your audio tape, and what you were into, the Manna, and everything, and we’re taking, right now, a course in sacred geometry, where we’re studying the ancient pyramids, and what the king’s chamber was actually used for in the Great Pyramid, which I’m sure you’re aware of. Because it was like the, where the Rite of Passage was administered. Ah, we have some friends that wrote the book, “The Pyramid Energy”, by Marion and Dean Hardy, and they’re in the Socratronics Association….)

She was in Phoenix about three days ago with me.

(Question – Well, what happened is, is we called Marion and Dean and said since you have this 24 foot square pyramid out in your back yard, why don’t you take a piece of pure gold and hang it at the king’s chamber exact location in your pyramid and see what happens to the gold. So Dean went out and said, “Well we’re not using the pyramid right now for anything”, so they took a glass of distilled water and they hung the little piece of gold, they actually took a gold Krugerrand coin, and hung it over the glass of distilled water, and left it for three days, and when Dean went back out there, it had this honey dew on the Krugerrand. So he dunked the Krugerrand in this glass of distilled water and drank it. Well he actually overdosed on it as you well know. It gave him a thorough cleansing, but Dean says now he feels like he’s about 18 years old. And they’re actually treating some people, friends of theirs who are ill, and they’re having good results from it. I’m sure that they may have related this to you.)

Now that’s what she shared with me also. I can tell you, if she’s getting results, I can give you a thousand times those results.

(Question – But it was interesting though that at the exact location of the sarcophagus in the king’s chamber, hanging this piece of gold in a pyramid, does form the dew, or the unrefined version, I guess, of the …….)

I don’t know if, you maybe read about the Great Pyramid, but when they opened the Great Pyramid, in the king’s chamber they found it totally empty except for this white powder all over the king’s chamber.

(Question – Yeah, and the white powder, there was, ah, so much of it in the sarcophagus, that they figured there had to been, thousands of people have, have, ah, have reclined in this, and went through this rite, for there to be that much powder in there. Because, isn’t there a secretion that comes out on the forehead, here, that causes the accumulation of the white powder?)

I don’t think so, I think this is just the material that was being used in there that was spilled. Um, you know, the Great Pyramid, of course, is quite a scientific mystery to most people, why it was built, why it’s the way it is. But, ah, the white powder, I would give anything to have just a few milligrams of the white powder that actually we know came out of the Great Pyramid. Because it will analyze to be alumina or silica, it’s the only thing it will analyze to be, and so you’ll assume there’s nothing to it, and you just dispose of it. But it’s not alumina or silica….

(Question – It’s really your Manna.)

I think so. Anyway, that’s my opinion. I haven’t got any to analyze, but I can tell you that the Vibhuti, that Sai Baba manifests, in fact is iridium in the high-spin state. That we have analyzed, and he does ingest this material. Iridium polymerizes with hydrochloric acid, in the stomach you have hydrochloric acid and so when you take it in high amounts in your stomach and then he regurgitates this, and they call it, this plastic looking material they call Lingam. The word Lingam actually means semen. Well this Lingam he regurgitates and they worship it as the holy material, and he literally eats it in macro amounts. His body is totally saturated, and they claim he can bio-locate. Coincidentally.

(Question – Who is this?)

Sai Baba. Who asked the question?

(Question – I am so excited with what you’re doing. I’ve been working with pyramids and different sacred geometry structures for the last eight years or so. And as you were talking they were given me little visions of the different geometric configurations as that transmutational process goes on. And it’s like confirming stuff that I’ve been seeing for a long time. This is tremendously exciting to me to feel that, hey, I’m not as nuts as you knew you were at times.)

The thing that I try to impress on people is when you are in this enlightened state, you no longer have to read books, you no longer have to study, because you just know things. And there’s no scientific explanation how you can know these things. You just know things. Sacred geometry will be totally and completely obvious to us, what it means, how it functions, when you are in this state. We’re wrestling with it, trying to understand it, trying to figure it out, but when you’re in this state it’s all obvious. It’s just simple as it can be.

(Question – In terms of the pitch of that note that their hearing through the Chad or the Bod or whatever word you want to call it, have you documented that pitch?)

Ah, no we haven’t and the reason for that is, the frequency actually is resonating at the Planckian vibrations frequency. The brain perceives it as a high pitch sound, but it really isn’t a high pitch sound, it’s only that the brain perceives it as a high pitch sound. Now, can that sound be inputted into the person and conversely affect this material? I don’t know. I don’t know. There’s been some…. there’s people work with sound, and sound energies and all, who are playing with this right now, but, ah, you know, what I am working on is consuming all of my time, and I feel, that priority-wise, I have to work where I am working now.

But, ah, what’s going on right now, if this guy reaches a state where he can levitate and bio-locate, I don’t mean be in 2 or 3 places at one time. I mean disappear here and reappear over here. This is going to be heavy duty. Because that means anyone can do it. It doesn’t require faith, it doesn’t require belief, it’s just a procedural thing you have to go through.

And if this occurs, and maybe it’s going to take me another month or two or three or four or five before we get there. But it’s going to be serious, because that means anyone can do it with that amount of material. And this man had no philosophical beliefs or anything, he just wanted the truth, he just wanted to know what was happening. So, it’s going to be heavy. Okay? Yes sir?

(Question – I was wondering, when the gentleman mentioned about the pyramid, if you took that white powder and put it in the king’s chamber, and has anybody done that yet, and would it make, do think it would make it anymore purified or not? Or, its just a thought?)

Ah, I’ll give you my opinion of what I think, how I think the king, the Great Pyramid… You know that the Great Pyramid was, had an overlay of the white limestone, and was painted in rainbow colors as they went up the side of it. But the capstone of the Great Pyramid was gold glass, was a superconductor. Literally the Great Pyramid was actually dug down and built on solid bedrock because the Earth vibrates the Om vibration, the low frequency vibration, then transfers up through the pyramid into the superconducting material and literally is the vibration that charges the superconductor. And I believe that when the gold glass capstone was on the Great Pyramid, that literally at night, it glowed. And can you imagine what a sight it had to be to be coming across the desert and see this huge white, rainbow colored pyramid with this huge glow of light on the top of it. You know?

I think that when you understand that there is no distance through the zero point energy, and that when the pharaoh or the high priest became the light being, they became the son of god. You know, you are born again as the son of god, which is what the pharaoh claimed to be, a son of god. That literally this is the communication device, this is the way that you’re able to project your thoughts through this huge superconducting pyramid, that you now are within that field, and can project your thoughts using that, which makes you much more powerful than you would be as an individual.

And so, ah, the whole concept of the way the society was at old kingdom Egypt, and the way it operated. When you literally have a king that is like a god, who knows all lies, all truths, you know everything. This is completely different from anything we’ve ever known.

(Question – I also wanted to make a comment that there’s a, you mentioned the “hu”, there’s several groups that sing the “hu” is a love song of the gods, and there’s some spiritual chemistry that seems to go on with that, so I thought that was interesting. Thank-you.)

Okay. Well I think………

(Question – I mentioned in the newsletter a couple of things that I found very fascinating when you and I were having our conversation. One was about the fact that there was a Meissner field that enabled the priest to approach the Ark of the Covenant without being killed. And I’d like if you would if you could tell us a little about that. And also about the air lift of the Black Jesus and what you think that was about?)

Well, ah, I felt I talked enough about science, so I didn’t want to go anymore in that way, I wanted to get to the philosophy because that’s what everyone wanted to hear anyway. You got to talk about the science so that the reality of it all is there. But, in fact, when you understand that superconductivity is not electricity, superconductivity is like a world of it’s own. A material that is a superconductor literally, a superconductor contains one vibrational frequency within the superconductor. One vibrational frequency, a lot like a laser. That this light flows perpetually within the system. That no where in the system is there any voltage. So you can’t hook up a wire here and a wire here to the superconductor and get current to flow in and out of the superconductor, because to get current to get off of the wire, you’ve got to have a voltage to get current on the wire, you got to have a little voltage and yet by definition a superconductor won’t allow any voltage. So the material’s a perfect insulator not a superconductor. But if you resonance frequency tune the wire so that the electrons vibrate at the same frequency as the superconductor, then the electrons will flow on as light, as electron pairs. They will pair up and flow on, because they’re seeking the path of least resistance which is the superconductor. Okay?

So, it is different than an ordinary conductor and shouldn’t be thought of as electricity, it’s light. All right, now, the amazing thing is, if you resonance frequency tune this conductor to the frequency of the superconductor then energy starts flowing on, but it’s flowing on as light. Any amount of light can exist in the same space-time. There’s only so much electricity can flow on the conductor, but light can flow on forever. And so it just flows on and flows on and flows on and flows on, but you don’t have to take it off… Now around the superconductor it forms a Meissner field. The Meissner field has no north or south pole, it’s just a field, but it’s unique in that it has no north or south pole. The largeness of that magnetic field is proportional to the amount of light that is flowing within the superconductor.

Okay, so, in the Ark of the Covenant was the pot of the Manna, and the stone through which god spoke to Moses. Now when Moses was up on Mt. Sinai, he was smelting the Manna to the gold glass. And why do I say that? Well, when you understand that in old kingdom Egypt these were called bushes not eyelashes. These were bushes, check you’re Egyptian literature. The burning bush was the enlightened Third Eye.

And so Moses on Mt. Sinai, when he looked upon the burning bush, was just a mistranslation, it was the third eye was open and god communicated to him through this stone. God didn’t write on the stone, if he wrote on the stone why would he put it in a box, seal it up and then let no one look at it? If god wrote on it he would put it up on the wall where everybody could read it. And when you realize that in old kingdom Egypt, that on the holiest day in old kingdom of Egypt, in the “Sign of the Seal” you read this, that they carried around an Ark on two poles, and in the Ark was a stone. Coincidentally what was in the Ark of the Covenant? A stone. The pot of Manna and the stone. The gold glass.

And I’m saying that around the Ark of the Covenant was the Meissner field. Now, the strange thing about a Meissner field is other Meissner fields, that oscillates at the same frequency, can enter that field and not perturb it. And so if you are a high priest, a Melchizedek priest, and you eat this Bread of the Presence of God every week, you are a light being, and you can enter into that field and approach the Ark of the Covenant and not perturb it because you’re in resonance with it. But if you’re an ordinary soldier or a person who thinks bad things, ha-ha-ha, you know, they have to tie a rope around your legs because as you approach it, it may have a flux collapse. Now if you can imagine several hundred thousand amps and now you have volts, it’s like a bolt of lightning. It literally is energy that is of unbelievable magnitude.

So as long as there is no volts, you could touch it, you could feel it, it’s hundreds of thousands of amps, but no tickle, no tingle, because there’s no volts. So as long as you’re in resonance with it you can approach it, you could touch it, you could hold it, you could feel it, nothing. But if you’re not in resonance with it, you enter the field, you perturb the resonance, and it’s a flux collapse, and now you’ve got voltage, and it’ll kill you.

Remember they said in the Bible that the Ark of the Covenant actually levitated and floated along and actually carried some of the people who were carrying it. The only thing to do that’s a superconductor.

Okay, what was the other thing you wanted me to talk about?

(Question – The airlift, the airlift of the Jews.)

Oh. Yeah, you’ll find after Graham Hancock’s, if you read his book, that you’ll find out that the Ark of the Covenant went to Ethiopia eventually, was out on a lake and all, and ended being in one of the cities of Ethiopia, it’s my opinion, and this is strictly my opinion, but if you look at the chain of events. I believe that Jerusalem, that the people in, the Hebrew people that are in Israel right now made an agreement to bring the Falasha Jews out of Ethiopia. They brought the black Jews out, with all their AIDS and all the problems they had and everything, they brought them into Israel. Remember that big airlift where they airlifted everyone in, but the reason they did it is because they were offered the Ark of the Covenant. And I believe they got the Ark of the Covenant in exchange for bringing those Jews in. That’s my personal opinion.

And I’ve been offered laboratory facilities, money, everything, if I’ll take this to Jerusalem and work with it, and I just know I’ll never get out of Jerusalem, if I ended up going over there. And so, I’m not going to Jerusalem with it. But, ah, they, the government knows about this. Any other questions?

(Question – I wanted to mention that you’ve referred to Graham Hancock and the “Sign and the Seal” several times. He will be our speaker probably the end of April or the first of May, so you all can hear him.)

Okay, it is a super book and I strongly recommend it for you people to read. If you read “Holy Blood Holy Grail”, you’ll find out all about my family and the de Guises and the de Lorraines, and the family that’s supposed to be the one that does this, and then of course, “The Sign and the Seal”, it adds another dimension to why the Templars were arrested. They actually were caretakers for the Ark of the Covenant. They met the leader in Jerusalem and went back to Ethiopia with him and put him back on the throne, and they were the ones that cared for the Ark of the Covenant. And when the Pope found out about it, mm-mm, you don’t do that, everything comes to Rome, and so he had them killed. You’ll hear all about that in Graham Hancock, a very good book. It’s just a story about it that is documented in Ethiopia. Basically they have had no contact with Rome for a thousand, thousands of years, and so their society is still like, like society was about 1,500 B.C. Their Jewish customs and everything and so. I think it’s very interesting to read it and see the information he’s dug up and put in this book.

(Question – And we do have copies of “The Holy Blood Holy Grail”. Some of you said that you couldn’t find it, so we’ve got some paperbacks.)

It’s a little tough to read because it’s got so many names in it. But, ah, what that book’s all about is, is the people who wrote of Michael Vigen, his emphasis was on Christ having children by Mary Magdalene. And that’s of no consequence, it means nothing. The significance of that family and what’s going on is that there’s a Davidic blood line. And there, God made a covenant with David that he and his descendants would be kings forever. God didn’t make many covenants. And that particular covenant is why Christ had to be of the Davidic blood line and it is a prophecy that a descendant of that family will do this work.


(Question – Since you’re a farmer and we know that a lot of things like the cell structure of plants and so forth like that grow on this kind of electrical type energy. Is it possible then to take a piece of this, treat it like a homeopathic preparation, spray it on the fields like bio-dynamic type farming and so forth, and have just absolute abundance of food crops available in very small pieces of land?)

I know that iridium can control the vibrational frequency of 56 molecules of water. But I don’t think it goes much further than that, and so I don’t think that it is like mostly homeopathic preparations where you can dilute, dilute, dilute, dilute and get stronger and stronger and stronger. Ah, the interesting thing is though that when you distill water, you assume you have purified water, the oroides, the iridides, the rhodides act more like iodide than they do like metals and they actually will distill along with the water. And so what you think is high purity, what you’re observing and studying as water may in fact not be pure water. Something to think about anyway. Another question?

(Question – Could you discuss for just a minute, about, ah, you were discussing, talking about DNA and since DNA is like a caduceus. If you could talk a minute the characteristics of this life force, as you understand it. The Ida and Pingala [two of the three main Nadis in Kundalini Yoga – these intertwine up the spine], the, ah, as it is seen in the caduceus.)

Ah, I’m really not trained in that area and I feel a little bit uncomfortable talking about it. In the workshop tomorrow I will present the papers and the references and the people’s names who are doing the work. And you can read the papers yourself and see what your opinion of it is. You know, this isn’t really so much my work, it’s my understanding of these elements, but the effect that these elements have on the body are other people’s work. So it really wouldn’t be appropriate for me to comment on their work. But I, I think it’s, all I need to do is show you their papers, say, read it, what does it say here, you know, you read along with me, see what your opinion of it is. They say it’s a denatured relaxation of the DNA and a recombination corrected, and I strongly encourage you to read “The Keys of Enoch” because he describes this also, what is going on.

(Question – Well because I was interested in, this is, ah, a wisdom of the ancients, that it was, this caduceus, you know, spinning one way of female energy and the other spinning the other way, was the male energy. This…)

I think you’ll find what they mean by that is it’s the electromagnetic null, and whether you’re talking about Tesla coils, in the center of the coil is an electromagnetic null. The Yin and the Yang is the two opposites, but in the center is the null.

(The balance.)

The balance. The nothing that’s everything.

(The Void.)

The Void, the vacuum, the zero point energy. And the physicist will tell you that in the vacuum, if you take all the matter in the universe and totally convert it to nuclear energy, there is more energy in the void or vacuum than there is in all the material universe converted to nuclear energy.

So, that’s where everything is. And it’s my opinion that is where you will meet your god, face to face, is right there, where it all began, where it all came from, the vacuum.

Okay? Another one?

(Question – I’m a farm boy so let’s go back to farming. Ah, in relationship to how this might be of benefit to the farmer, have you heard of Dr. Heironimus’ “cosmic tide”?)

Have I heard it?

(Have you heard of it?)

Oh, yes, yes. yeah.


You know the whole concept of, what do they call it, radionics?

(Ulaptic energy is his patent.)

Yeah, the concept of the resonance vibrations of the Earth, the concepts of magnetic fields, the concepts of time, all of these all are predicated based on there being an underlying communication network that has no distance, no time.

For those of you who are interested, did you know that NASA has learned that you can scrape tissue out of the checks of the astronauts, and put the equivalent of a lie detector instrument on the tissue and that when the astronaut is out there, you know, millions of light years away, that when he’s subjected to stress, that the cells instantaneously experience stress here on Earth even though they’re not in his body.

And they’ve actually done this and proven it and so, because it takes hours for the radio transmission to come back, then to sort through, send it back, what to do, but the very instant he experiences stress they know it, even though his radio transmission hasn’t come. They know that there is a communication capable instantaneous between these body parts from that person and that person. It isn’t broken when it’s taken out of his body. They know that. They’re working with radionics. They know about this.

(I knew that NASA was using this technology, some…..)

I know that they’re very intrigued and interested in it, let’s put it that way.

(But, from you, have you found some specific correlation’s for the farmer?)

No. Nothing of consequence, other than, then when these elements are present you have extremely great agricultural production. And you’ll see that over in Hawaii, and places where there is volcanic ash and soil, um, the production is just unbelievably dense. Everything grows lush and so, I know that these elements are critical for there to be proper life. I know these elements must be present. And if you mix all of, you know, they ,they, how many times have you heard, if you analyze the human body, you find out exactly what’s supposed to be in the body and you mix all of these elements together in those proportions, and you add water and all gases to it, and everything, but it doesn’t come to life. Because you know, if you take these elements and put them into pure water and subject it to the air, that literally they begin to assimilate and grow these long chain polymers that you actually can see, and they respond to sunlight and they’re actually catalysts that take nitrogen out of the air and carbon monoxide out of the air, and assimilate it in these long chain polymers.

Did you know that this man up in Canada called , Gaston Naessens, who has this material called somatids, which means “little bitty things”, but their .6 to 1.8 angstroms in dimensions. You know that rhodium is .6 and iridium is 1.8 angstroms in dimensions. And that they’re in your blood naturally and they are literally what grows the structures of life.

Did you know that this man, Merkle, in El Paso, Texas, has the “life crystals”, you know, that is pure gold, and he doesn’t know it, he calls it ATP. Once you know this, I mean, you begin to see the science in all of this and the explanations for it, and it begins to make total sense what’s going on out there. There is real science behind these herbs, there is real science behind these medicines, there is stuff in the herbal materials that do cure AIDS and cancer. And if, ah, I took it to the Mayo Clinic and presented to the Head of Research there, and you know what he said to me, he didn’t say, “Dave, I think you’re crazy”, he didn’t say, “Dave I think you’re out of left field”, he didn’t say, “Dave if you’ll pay for it we’ll try to evaluate it”, he said, “Dave, this is illegal”.

Now when you really realize that the Mayo Clinic is about nothing but making money. I mean, it’s that simple. They have a Board of Directors, their job is to make money. If they don’t make money, they don’t stay in business. They don’t care about curing cancer, their job is to treat cancer not to cure cancer. And that’s what they want. And, you know, if that’s on tape, so be it, that’s what the man said to me. And then he wanted me to give him the names of the doctors who were working with me, and he said, “I’ll see to it that they’re turned over to the proper authorities”. Yeah, yeah. I said, “Thank-you very much, this dumb farmer has got to go home”. I walked out. Yes sir?

(Question – Thank-you very much for what you have presented. I find the very, extraordinary phenomena that you have talked about very believable because of experiences that I and friends have had in the past, and one I wanted to tell you about, is a very close personal friend at one point had an instantaneous teleportation in a situation of great need to save the life of her child. And she has spent her entire life dedicated to her own spiritual development and to healing other people through prayer.

She was at one end of the house in the kitchen and she just saw clearly that her little child on the tricycle was behind a car backing out of the neighbor’s garage, and she turned to run through the house and was right there by the window and stopped the car.

Another friend of hers was scaling a rock, doing some rock climbing one time, alone with no rope, no help, anything, and she got totally stuck. And she prayed very…. and this lady also spent her life devoted to spiritual development, and she prayed very deeply to God at that point, and she heard a voice that said, “Take off the cape and throw it to the ground”, and when she did that she was instantaneously standing on the ground with the cape. So I fully accept that these things that you are talking about can happen.)

Well most people don’t. I mean, they don’t. And you know, what we need to do, is get to the point where it isn’t an issue of faith, it isn’t an issue of belief, it is a scientifically reproducible understandable phenomenon. And that is what my job is, is to bring scientific credibility and understanding to things that otherwise have had no scientific understanding behind them. And so, you know, this will go to the world of science. It will not go to the world of philosophy and religion, because science can take it in three or four years, and religion has been trying to do it for 2,000 years and has failed miserably.

And, you know, the churches are not going to receive this very well. But if you remember in the Bible, you can sin against God and you can sin against Christ, and you can be forgiven, but there’s one sin you never can commit and that’s to sin against the Holy Ghost or the light body. Because when you have the light body, when you’re a “high priest”, when you know all things and then you sin, it’s an unforgivable sin. And so, in the Bible it says, in the end times, that we, that there will be a nation of high priests, not an elect high priesthood, and that’s why it has to be given to everyone who seeks it for the proper reasons. And literally everyone who’s ready to open that door and step through, I have to hand them the key. That doesn’t mean they’re going to go through, but I have to hand it to them because at the time they’re ready, it has to be available to them.

And you know, it’s probably the most serious decision you’re every going to make in your life. Because something shouldn’t be taken very lightly, a lot of people go, “I’m next, I’m next”. No, think about it, convince me you know what we’re talking about and you’re ready to do that. If you’re the wealthiest man in the world, you’re 95 year of age and you’re on your death bed and dying, and someone tells you can live 800 years, he’ll give you everything he’s got. What good is to him if he dies? In the next 800 years he can make it many times over. And yet if we all have to wait until we’re right there at our death bed before we understand what this is all about. It is literally changing the nature of mankind. Very serious decision. It’s a very serious decision. You will not be the same person you are now. It deserves some real serious thought and contemplation.

Okay, so we wrap it up and then the workshop…… oh, we got one more. Yes ma’am?

(Question – All right, I was curious about, ah, how it came about that you found out about Sai Baba’s Vibhuti containing rhodium?)

A lady in Phoenix just had some of it in a bag. She had been over there and seen him and she said here’s the Vibhuti, you know, can you find out what it is. And so, it was the cinder material and apparently it was made by a burning process, it wasn’t that that came out of his hands. Because we looked at it under our microscope and there was carbon ash in it, so there was some carbon ash, but the rest of the material was pure iridium.

And I believe that there’s certain plants that they pick over in India that they put on the sacred pyres, that burn always and never go out, and I believe that this, they are burning all of the carbon out of this. And then they take that ash and water wash it, which gets rid of the alkali salts, the alkaline metals, and these plants just happen to be very high in iridium.

And that’s how I think they come up with it. That’s my opinion. Now I know Sai Baba claims, everybody claims he manifests it out of the air, well if so, his body is so saturated with it that it literally is coming out of his hands. That’s the only explanation I have for it. Because I am, believe it or not, as philosophical as I sound, I really am my own worst enemy. I’m a very severe critic myself.

(I’ve made two trips to India and it’s been awhile since I’ve been there. I spent 3 months in 1978 with Sai Baba, in two main ashrams, and I was very close to him on several occasions, and I saw him manifest other things besides the Vibhuti….)

That’s what I told you, he manifests jewelry, gold objects….

(It affects you spiritually. I saw people change spiritually, mentally, physically. A man got out of a wheelchair and walked and never went back to it while I was there.)

But did you know him before, know that he hadn’t been brought in by him, you know, that he didn’t walk before?

(No, I didn’t know that man personally myself.)

You see, this, this, I’m a skeptic, I always have to ask these questions, you know, but……

(But when people that I knew at the beginning of the trip in one ashram and then we go to another one, and they tell me I have changed. And I knew I had but I didn’t know that other people could see it. I think it really affects your life. But after I did see him manifest the Vibhuti you do begin to believe in miracles if you hadn’t before. So I believe in, what you have discovered, for this reason…..)

Well, for those people who are not physicists and don’t understand what I am talking about, the John Fagan who is the head of physics at MIU back in Iowa, who ran for president. Some of you remember him, he ran for president on the Natural Law Party. Ah, he’s right behind Ross Perot’s advertisements when he ran, you know, anyway, a very good looking fellow. I met with him for about three days back at MIU and went over all the physics and everything with it. He went over and told the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who has a degree in physics. The Maharishi said, “This is the stuff that will allow us to live a thousand years”. The Maharishi has never ever endorsed a western technology ever until he heard about this. He said, “This is the stuff”.

You know, I have to go through all the testing. I have to see it myself. I have to get it to where it’s independently confirmable by other people. But, ah, I’ve seen enough right now. It’s really concerning me that all of it is correct, because everything fits this far. So, you know, we got about another month or two before we get through with this with the first guy, but it sure looks serious to me.

Anyway, that’s it for right now. Tomorrow we’ll get into the specifics of it.